useused it against the presidet on energy policy and used it against them on education policy. but during the section on he entitlements he didn't necessarily seem to be at his strongest but still certainly much stronger than the president. >> chris: i want to ask you about a moment that you didn't bring up that has got and lot of attention. let's take a look at this one. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs and other things. i love big bird and i actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for are it. >> was that smart as a way to show that he is serious about cutting spend or is it always a mistake to take on big bird? >> well, big bird is pretty popular but maybe the president would say big bird didn't build his own nest, i don't know. but i think that it is -- it probably maybe not going after big bird but is certainly pbs and public broadcasting is popular in terms of taking them on in the spending side. i don't think he was going down the wrong path. maybe not so much with big bird. >> chri